Song of Rage and Frenzy Control

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Song of Rage and Frenzy Control

Post by JaggedJackal » Tue Aug 21, 2018 11:33 pm

Are Shifters with Frenzy Control unable to use the effects of Song of Rage? They wouldn't be immune to the mental power, but if they choose to enter a Frenzy do they gain the Augment 1?
SONG OF RAGE (MENTAL)
Cost 1 Energy
Call “Song of Rage”
After the caster shouts out a war cry, he may activate this power.
While under the effects of this power, the target may choose to
frenzy without losing virtue. While in frenzy provoked from this
power, the target gains Augment 1.
FRENZY CONTROL (Self)
Cost: 1 energy
Call: “No Effect” to Frenzy, otherwise none.
A character may activate this power to enter frenzy without losing virtue, and may elect a single target they can perceive to be the focus of this frenzy. However, once the target has been incapacitated, they frenzy as normal, attacking any other targets they can perceive. Additionally, they are always immune to frenzy from other sources.
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Re: Song of Rage and Frenzy Control

Post by Raynor » Sat Sep 01, 2018 11:26 pm

Yes, as Song of Rage does not cause Frenzy, that is a player choice. They would still have a 10 minute window within which to Frenzy and gain the benefit of Augment 1. However because of Song of Rage you would not have to pay 1 energy to enter Frenzy without the Virtue loss.

The biggest clarification in the Erratta (based on the copy I have) is that characters with Frenzy Control under the effects of Song of Rage may choose their first Frenzy target. After that continue Frenzy as normal by going to the nearest next target regardless of friend or foe.

When using Frenzy Control to enter Frenzy, the cost of 1 Energy is to offset the normal permanent loss of 1 Virtue anyone else would normally pay to Frenzy. We just basically get the good discount and always have the choice.

EDIT: Reworded for better explanation.
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Re: Song of Rage and Frenzy Control

Post by JaggedJackal » Wed Sep 05, 2018 5:00 pm

Frenzy control already allows for you to choose your first target. Song of Rage not being what enters you into Frenzy but instead just removes the virtue loss and provides 1 augment is an interesting way to make that work without needing a rules change.
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Re: Song of Rage and Frenzy Control

Post by Julian » Wed Oct 24, 2018 11:40 pm

Characters with Frenzy Control are able to use Song of Rage. They can enter frenzy without cost (not even the 1 energy for Frenzy Control), and may benefit from the Augment.

"Other sources" here means "people who are not you", rather than "effects that are not Frenzy Control". Song of Rage grants the character the ability to voluntarily enter a frenzy, so it's not covered by the immunity.
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